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Denise Howell is a seasoned appellate and intellectual property litigator based in Los Angeles. Denise writes one of the first and most popular law-related blogs, Bag and Baggage, coined the term "blawg" and helped pioneer podcasting for lawyers. Microcontent obsessed since 2001, she is frequently quoted in the media on legal issues involving intellectual property and technology law. "Sound Policy" is Denise's show at IT Conversations, and it's also what she hopes results from the briefs she submits to court. Email Denise at dhowell@gmail.com.

Dennis Kennedy is a computer lawyer and legal technology expert based in St. Louis, Missouri. An award-winning author, a frequent speaker and a widely-read blogger, he has more than 300 publications on legal, technology and Internet topics, many of which are collected in his e-books. Dennis has been described as someone who knows almost every rock song in existence and, more importantly, how they apply to technology and law. Email Dennis at his gmail address.

Tom Mighell is Senior Counsel and Litigation Technology Support Coordinator at Cowles & Thompson in Dallas. He has published the Internet Legal Research Weekly newsletter since 2000 and blogged about the Internet and legal technology at Inter Alia since August of 2002. With Tom's singing, Ernie on guitar and Dennis' encylopedic knowledge of rock music, we may have the beginnings of a good band, if this whole blog thing doesn't work out. Email Tom at tmighell@swbell.net.

Marty Schwimmer left a partnership in the largest trademark practice in the world and founded Schwimmer Mitchell, a full-service IP micro-boutique in Westchester County, New York, where he represents owners of famous and not yet famous trademarks. He founded The Trademark Blog, the first IP law blog and the one with the most pictures. He is the first to come in and the last to leave in his firm. Email Marty at marty@schwimmerlegal.com.

Ernest Svenson practices law with a mid-sized law firm in New Orleans, specializing in business-related lawsuits. Most of his practice takes place in federal court, especially the Eastern District. He is best known for his weblog Ernie the Attorney, which he started as an experiment. Like many experiments it got out of control. Nevertheless, he continues to practice law and, occasionally, to seek enlightenment. Email Ernest at esvenson@gmail.com.
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March 3, 2008

The Lawyer's Guide to Collaboration Tools and Technologies

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Posted by Dennis M. Kennedy

The Lawyer's Guide to Collaboration Tools and Technologies: Smart Ways to Work Together, the new book from Between Lawyers' own Dennis Kennedy and Tom Mighell is now now available for preorder at the ABA Web Store. There's a 15% discount if you preorder now.

The "official" launch of the book will be at the ABA TECHSHOW 2008, where Tom and Dennis will be speaking on the topic of collaboration tools, and will be happy to sign your copy of the book.

The book reflects the idea of collaboration that underlies the Between Lawyers blog.

Here's the book description from the ABA Web Store:

This first-of-its-kind guide for the legal profession shows you how to use standard technology you already have and the latest "Web 2.0" resources and other tech tools, like Google Docs, Microsoft Office and SharePoint, and Adobe Acrobat, to work more effectively on projects with colleagues, clients, co-counsel and even opposing counsel. In The Lawyer's Guide to Collaboration Tools and Technologies: Smart Ways to Work Together, well-known legal technology authorities Dennis Kennedy and Tom Mighell provide a wealth of information useful to lawyers who are just beginning to try these tools, as well as tips and techniques for those lawyers with intermediate and advanced collaboration experience.

Collaboration technologies and tools are the most important current developments in legal technology and are likely to remain so for the foreseeable future. Explained with minimal technical jargon, the book focuses on highly practical and usable ideas that you can put to work straight away.

With practical advice on how to use specific tools and concrete action steps to take, lawyers and law firms at all levels will benefit from working together better.

You'll learn:

+ The basics of collaboration and collaboration tools

+ How to select and implement tools and strategies

+ The best ways to collaborate on documents, cases, transactions, and projects

+ How to collaborate inside and outside the office

+ How to collaborate using tools you already have or own

Technology now makes it easier than ever to work with others -- this is the first guide dedicated to the special requirements of the legal world with the practical steps it takes to do it right.

I encourage you to preorder now and take advantage of the 15% discount or to consider ordering the book here if you are reading this at a later date.

Comments (2) | Category: BL News | Legal Technology | Virtual Lawyers | Web 2.0

September 18, 2007

Calling All Legal Tech MacGyvers - A Mini-contest

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Posted by Dennis M. Kennedy

I'm planning to write an article about what I'm calling "MacGyver" technology tricks. I'm assuming that you are familiar with the MacGyver concept (or you can wikipedia it).

As an example, consider using a digital camera or cameraphone as a document scanner in a pinch (or sending a document as a fax to a nearby fax machine when you aren't able to print it any other way).

I'm looking for some good examples and wanted to get a little help from the readers of this blog.

Remember, the idea is not something like using the top of your laptop as a cutting board, but ways to use software and hardware in unexpected, but logical and useful ways, in a pinch when you don't have the normal tools available. Another example: using a video iPod to run your PowerPoint presentation when your laptop won't work with the projector. I'm also looking for something that the average lawyer would be able to do with gadgets, hardware and software (or Internet apps) readily at hand for most lawyers.

However, I'm not looking for examples like this one, because it requires that you have a specific device available.

You get the idea.

Let me know your best ideas by leaving a comment to this post or joining the Between Lawyers Facebook Group and leaving your recommendations as a response to the discussion thread there.

On an unrelated note, be sure to take a look at a great roundtable article on legal podcasts and lawyer podcasting in the latest issue of the ABA's Law Practice Today webzine, with Denis Howell, Tom Mighell and Dennis Kennedy among the participants.

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August 19, 2007

Facebook for Lawyers?

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Posted by Dennis M. Kennedy

Tom Mighell and Dennis Kennedy have posted a new episode of their podcast, The Kennedy-Mighell Report (RSS feed here).

In this episode, Dennis and Tom discuss the use (or potential use) of Facebook by lawyers, giving some potential benefits and risks, practical tips, and observations about their experiments in using Facebook. They also talk about how they use the Google Reader for RSS feeds and Google Docs and Spreadsheets for simple collaborations. They also talk about the other podcasts they listen to and how they listen to them.

It's a good introduction for lawyers and other legal professionals to these topics.

You'll find the podcast episode here and there's an archive of earlier podcasts.

It's also a good time to remind you to check out Denise Howell's podcast - This Week in Law - on which you'll find some of the authors of the Between Lawyers blog appearing from time to time.

And, for Facebook members, we invite you to join the Between Lawyers Facebook group.

Comments (5) + TrackBacks (0) | Category: BL News | Legal Technology | Podcasting | RSS | Web 2.0

June 28, 2007

Agreeing To The Cloud

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Posted by Denise Howell

As more and better communication and collaboration functions move to the Web (under non-negotiated, vendor-centric terms of use), what are our obligations as both tech- and ethics-savvy lawyers? I for one am not about to give up Gmail. So, what's the best practice?


      Shun Web services, you simply can't control the data?

      Use Web services only when you have specific, confidentiality and reliability guaranteeing service level agreements?

      Use Web services liberally, but acquaint yourself with the applicable terms of use and make sure clients are amenable?


I lean toward #3. You?

Comments (1) + TrackBacks (0) | Category: E-Mail | Ethics and Technology | Ethics, Decorum and Manners | Law 2.0 | Law Practice Management | Legal Technology | Practice of Law | Virtual Lawyers | Web 2.0

April 8, 2007

Between Lawyers - Recent Podcasts

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Posted by Dennis M. Kennedy

Members of the Between Lawyers blog can be heard in a number of recent podcasts.

Tom Mighell and Dennis Kennedy have posted the latest episode #5 of The Kennedy-Mighell Report, in which they cover the recent ABA TECHSHOW, legal technology trends for 2007, current developments in electronic discovery, and their upcoming book on collaboration tools for lawyers.

Denise Howell has posted the latest episode of This Week in Law, which includes fellow regular Ernie Svenson. An earlier episode feature Between Lawyers' Marty Schwimmer.


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March 19, 2007

Collaboration Tools for Lawyers - The Book

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Posted by Dennis M. Kennedy

Between Lawyers' own Dennis Kennedy and Tom Mighell are pleased to announce that they will be writing a book on collaboration tools that will be published in early 2008 by the American Bar Association. The book is tentatively titled: "Collaboration Tools for Lawyers: Essential Ways to Work Together with Colleagues, Clients and Even Opposing Counsel."

Nearly every lawyer finds that colleagues, co-counsel, clients and even opposing counsel use the Internet and technology to collaborate and work together on documents, projects and cases. In the simplest scenario, lawyers and clients use the "track changes" feature in Microsoft Word to work together on a document. Technology today lets lawyers take collaboration to the next level. Many legal technology tools now include collaborative elements.

At the same time, lawyers increasingly use the Internet in many ways to work together. From document sharing to videoconferencing, there are more tools than most lawyers can imagine for working together, online.

Two key trends are at play here. First, for years lawyers have understood the clear benefits of collaboration and working together as a routine matter. Second, the availability of simple, inexpensive (even free) collaboration technology has created an environment where working together makes sense to nearly every lawyer in nearly every firm. The push forward on both trends is likely to continue.

Two other important factors also come into play. First, business clients are routinely using technology to collaborate and will expect their lawyers to follow. Therefore, collaboration tools illustrate a classic example of a client-driven technology. Second, events in the world from increased travel costs to possible pandemics make it even more likely that these tools will be adopted by necessity.

To the extent lawyers have experimented with these tools, they may have the nagging feeling that they are simply touching the tip of the iceberg of what might be available to them and how they might use these tools to their benefit. We believe that they are right to feel that way, because it is undoubtedly true.

The book will provide intensely practical advice for lawyers and law firms wanting to take better advantage of these tools and the benefits they bring. It will take a look at how to use these tools wells, focus on both categories of tools and specific individual tools, and provide concrete action steps and techniques so that even the least tech-savvy lawyer can catch up with the early adopters and successful innovators.

Collaboration Tools for Lawyers: Essential New Ways to Work Together with Colleagues, Clients and Even Opposing Counsel, by Dennis Kennedy and Tom Mighell (expected publication date: early 2008)

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October 30, 2006

Law 2.0: The Outsourcing Component

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Posted by Dennis M. Kennedy

It was recorded a while back, but I wanted to recommend the excellent discussion on legal technology and outsourcing you will find on the podcast featuring Ron Friedmann and Ross Kodner that's part of the Coast to Coast podcast series. It's called "Legal Technology: A Doubled-edged Sword?"

Ron and Ross are on top of their games and you'll get some fascinating insights into the ways law firms are using outsourcing and insourcing. We talk about Law 2.0 on this blog on a regular basis and this podcast will give you some practical ideas about what Law 2.0 might mean and what it might look like.

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October 19, 2006

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VLFs Should Embrace VRM

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Posted by Denise Howell

This might sound a bit acronym-soupy and cryptic, but the proverbial lightbulb is over my head at the moment, and I think it will have more impact if you attempt to understand why yourself rather than having me explain. So first, please listen to the current episode of the Gillmor Gang:

Then: consider how a virtual law firm (or a very forward thinking conventional one) might be in the perfect position to leapfrog ahead by eliminating the CRM (customer relationship management) line item from its technology and marketing budgets, and instead adopting a client driven, "vendor relationship management" approach to business development.

Comments (0) + TrackBacks (0) | Category: Law 2.0 | Law Is A Business | Legal Technology | Practice of Law | Technology | Virtual Lawyers

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Rule #1: Don't Be Stupid

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Posted by Denise Howell

There's an excellent article at APC Magazine, warning businesses who lock down their Internet access that they're in danger of losing employees. But that's not all they're in danger of losing. There's a reason "digital natives" are so reliant on the 'Net they will resort to elaborate and policy-violating workarounds: they get things done there. They knowledge-gather. They connect. They market. They produce. What's at stake for businesses who fail to grok this goes far beyond recruiting and employee retention. I give any such outfit five years of soulless survival, at the outside. (Via Techmeme)

Comments (0) + TrackBacks (0) | Category: Blawgs | Blogging Policies | Law 2.0 | Law Is A Business | Law Practice Management | Legal Technology | Participatory Law | Practice of Law

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May 10, 2006

New Episode of The Kennedy-Mighell Report

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Posted by Dennis M. Kennedy

Tom and Dennis have posted Episode 3 of The Kennedy-Mighell Report podcast, in which they talk about their recent trip to the ABA TECHSHOW and developments in legal technoloogy and the implications for lawyers, law firms and clients of lawyers.

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May 9, 2006

March 20, 2006

You Decide: Legal Technology as Innovation or "Corruption of Legal System"?

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Posted by Dennis M. Kennedy

Consider this use of technology in the practice of law:

Imagine that you can have an Internet communications feed between a lawyer in a courtroom, arbitration hearing or deposition and other lawyers, outside experts and/or client representatives who receive a live feed from the proceedings. Those outside the proceedings can use instant messaging or other techniques to assist the lawyer at the proceedings in much the same way they might if they were physically present.

I saw this kind of technology demoed live at the ABA TECHSHOW in 1998. I thought that it was a great way to improve the representation of your client and offered some significant benefits for training and supervising lawyers, savings on travel costs, and the like.

Move the clock forward eight years.

The Detroit News has a story called "High-tech snooping corrupts legal system: Attorneys in legal case transmit private arbitration hearing to off-site consultants," in which there are scathing denunciations of what seems to me to be exactly the same use of technology.

As I understand the story, there does not seem to be a question about whether the outside consultant could not be in the arbitration hearing, although there is a lot of discussion about whether this use of technology should be disclosed to the other side. There is not a lot of discussion about whether this approach afford a client better representation.

Here's my question: Am I missing something here if I am thinking that this is an innovative use of technology (even though the tech has been around for awhile) rather than a "corruption of the legal system"? I'm willing to learn where I'm wrong, but I like this use of technology.

What do you think?

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March 10, 2006

ABC, 123, IT Considers The Value Of UGC

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Posted by Denise Howell

I think it was in the March 3 edition of The Gillmor Gang that Steve Gillmor had some characteristically blunt and insightful commentary about the reluctance of corporate IT departments to embrace new technologies that are compelling but disruptive of the existing infrastructure. This can be both frustrating for users and counterproductive from a business standpoint. Against this backdrop I was interested to read Paul Chin's article in Intranet Journal, The Value of User Generated Content, Part 1. [Via Genie Tyburski] Part 1 puts the issue of things like blogs, wikis, and discussion groups (discussion groups? less relevant at the moment than podcasts, I would think) in a corporate IT person's context, comparing these media forms to the "engineered content" (apt phrase) that heretofore has populated intranets. Part 2 (still to come) will examine how "[i]n order to find a happy middle ground when using UGC, and not to appear overly controlling, a formal set of content posting guidelines should be agreed upon by both the intranet owners and users." (Emphasis mine.)

So, it seems that IT departments may be beginning to come to terms with "UGC" and its inevitability as part of the corporate environment. As to the important related policy decisions, though, I certainly hope the norm will be for these to be the ultimate province of other parts of the organization.

Comments (0) + TrackBacks (0) | Category: Blogging Policies | Law Is A Business | Law Practice Management | Legal Technology | Technology

March 3, 2006

Law Practice Today: The TECHSHOW Edition

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Posted by Tom Mighell

The March issue of Law Practice Today is out, and it's devoted to one of my favorite events, ABA TECHSHOW (and no, it's not just because I'm on the planning board). For those of you who aren't familiar with TECHSHOW, it's a 2-1/2 day technology conference for legal professionals -- it features over 50 educational sessions on technology issues ranging from electronic discovery to disaster recovery, Internet research to advanced IT. In this month's issue of Law Practice Today there are some TECHSHOW-specific articles as well as articles with the type of high-level content that you'll find at TECHSHOW. Of the articles featured this month, I'll highlight a few:

-- Dan Pinnington's How to Make the Most of ABA TECHSHOW is a great overview of the conference, and how you can extract the maximum technological goodness from it;
-- Want to learn more about some of the featured speakers before you go? Many of them are also bloggers, and in my article ABA TECHSHOW Bloggers you not only get to meet some of them, you can also find out the topics on which they are speaking; and
-- If you're still not sure your boss will approve a trip to TECHSHOW, check out Tips to Get Management to Approve Attending Your Next Professional Conference by Bob Weiss.

Something else you can mention to your boss is that if you register for ABA TECHSHOW by March 10, you'll save $200 off the regular registration ($300 if you're a Law Practice Management Section member).

Okay, enough of the sales pitch. Check out Law Practice Today and see what all the fuss is about.

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A General Counsel's Legal Technology Wish List for 2006

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Posted by Dennis M. Kennedy

It's often a very useful exercise to stand in someone else's shoes and see things through their eyes.

For lawyers, one exercise is to try to see things from the point of view of your clients. When it comes to legal technology, I usually refer to this approach as "client-driven technology."

Michael Kraft and Robert Enholm have written a great new article called "GC Tech Wish List for 2006" that will give lawyers some ideas about how legal technology looks from the corporate counsel's side of the table.

They offer six items:

1. Faster Communication.

2. Extranets.

3. Billing Software.

4. Document Management Software.

5. Electronic Data Discovery Software.

6. Document Assembly/Contract Process Software.

There's a lot of food for though in the article. I was so taken with point #6, which talks about contract life cycle management, that I wrote an exegesis of the point and its implications for Law 2.0 on my blog.

Comments (0) + TrackBacks (0) | Category: Intellectual Property and Technology Law | Legal Technology | Practice of Law

December 12, 2005

More Web 2.0 for Law Thoughts from the Wired GC

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Posted by Dennis M. Kennedy

The Wired GC has another in an excellent series of posts discussing the notion of Web 2.0 concepts in connection with the practice of law. This post was motivated by a unilateral increase in rates for legal research services. Price increases tend to motivate customers to consider what they are getting for their money and whether, if they are free or low-cost "good-enough" alternatives on the Internet, there is a need to continue with business as usual.

There's a cautionary tale well worth your consideration in The Wired GC's post and it will help all of us who are trying to determine what Web 2.0 applied to law (or Law 2.0) will look like.

Law 2.0

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December 9, 2005

Gartner on BlackBerry - The Sky is Falling - or Maybe It Isn't

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Posted by Dennis M. Kennedy

In the kind of story that fuels the general level of suspicion many people have about advice from huge consulting firms, I saw that CNET has an article called "Gartner's advice: Halt BlackBerry deployments" that makes the usual advice you get from lawyers seem clear and concise.

I can't resist quoting:

The research note advises enterprises to "stop or delay all mission-critical BlackBerry deployments and investments in the platform until RIM's legal position is clarified," because "U.S. BlackBerry users would lose messaging services...and international users would lose message service while traveling in the U.S."

However, Gartner expects the two companies to reach a settlement within three weeks because an agreement would be "in both companies' interests."

There is a possibility that RIM could bypass the patent dispute by deploying a workaround, but Gartner said this path could be "highly problematic."

"RIM claims its workaround is legally sound, but its history in the courts does not inspire confidence. Moreover, end-user validation and implementation would take time, resulting in a temporary loss of service," the research note said.

Gartner advises enterprises "not to sign any agreements that could involve them in the RIM-NTP dispute" and "demand that RIM discloses its workaround plans."

If RIM deployments are not mission-critical, Gartner said, enterprises could take no action for the moment but rather "assess the potential impact of operation outages of unknown duration."

I believe that advice covers every possible side of this issue and hedges every bet.

In fairness, I read only the article and not the full research report.

Perhaps this is the best summary of the report:

"If you read it closely, we're telling people to sort of take a break here and wait until this case settles within two to three weeks," Gartner analyst Ken Dulaney told Reuters.

Of course, if you expect the case to settle, as everyone seems to believe these days, why report that the sky is falling?

Comments (2) + TrackBacks (0) | Category: Intellectual Property and Technology Law | Law Practice Management | Legal Technology | Patent

December 7, 2005

Tom Mighell on Web 2.0 and other Between Lawyers Articles and Wikis

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Posted by Dennis M. Kennedy

Between Lawyers's own Tom Mighell has published an excellent, succinct explanation of basic Web 2.0 concepts, along with a great set of examples that might be used by legal researchers and lawyers. Get the details here.

Tom and I (Dennis) also participated in a roundtable article in the new issue of the ABA's Law Practice Today that a group of us created using the Web 2.0 tools at Writely.com. The article, "Looking Back and Looking Forward" looks at some of the technology tools we used and liked in 2005. The issue had a "Best of 2005" theme and Tom and I also polished up Tom's "Strongest Links: Ethics" column from earlier in the year, and added in some new, interesting ethics sites. The new column can be found here.

Also, in keeping with the Web 2.0 theme, Ernie has announced a wiki project to help New Orleans lawyers.

I'll note that there's been a lot of discussion about wikis and some new legal wiki projects announced in recent days. It's an area to keep your eyes on.

It's highly likely that we will be putting together a roundtable article about the potential uses of Web 2.0 tools in the legal profession for next month's issue of Law Practice Today. If you are interested in being a contributor to that article, please let me know.

Addition: Marty appears on a church signboard.

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November 29, 2005

Web 2.0 for the Practice of Law - A Must Read from the Wired GC

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Posted by Dennis M. Kennedy

As many of my friends know, I've been bitten by the Web 2.0 bug lately and done a lot of thinking (but not very much public writing yet) about how Web 2.0 might be applied in and to the delivery of legal services and practice of law. Steve Nipper has also recently raised the question about how to bring Web 2.0 into what is fundamentally a Web 1.0 world.

I think that this is a very important, yet quite esoteric, topic. However, The Wired GC has made an enormous contribution to the discussion with his post called "Web 2.0, Law Style," which definitely makes my "must read" category. It's both a good introduction and a map of the territory and its implications.

I expect to see not only more discussion of the topic (and I invite you to use the comments to this post as one method to do that), but some actual announcements of things that fall into the Web 2.0 category, including at least one of the ideas mentioned in the Wired GC's post in the very near future. In fact, I'm quite sure of it.


Comments (2) + TrackBacks (1) | Category: Law Practice Management | Legal Technology | Open Source Lawyering | Participatory Law | Practice of Law

November 7, 2005

November 1, 2005

If Electronic Discovery is the Next Big Thing, Why Are So Few Lawyers Doing Electronic Discovery?

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Posted by Dennis M. Kennedy

Evan Schaeffer and Between Lawyers' own Tom Mighell and Dennis Kennedy have written a new column where we take on one of the most interesting questions in the practice of law in 2005: if everyone thinks that electronic discovery is the next big thing in the practice of law and is so important, why are lawyers staying away from electronic discovery in droves?

I was thinking after we had our discussion of metadata in Word documents the other day on Between Lawyers that electronic discovery could actually be fun - checking for metadata and using all the new electronic discovery tools. Most lawyers, it seems, prefer to stay squarely in the world of paper. I've even heard that some judges make it all but impossible for lawyers who want to get electronic files to obtain them.

Is your lawyer asking you to print out documents for a hoard of high-paid associates to review or more comfortable pawing through a banker's box of papers than mousing through computer files? Maybe it's time for clients to become a lot more concerned about what their legal fees buy them in the world of practice-as-usual. In any event, you'll want to read the column to see how Evan, Tom and I grapple with the question. It's a thorough, well-rounded conversation that will make you think.

The three of us write a regular, more or less monthly column called Thinking E-Discovery on the DiscoveryResources.org site.

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October 25, 2005

Our Morning Discussion of Metadata

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Posted by Dennis M. Kennedy

We had a follow-up discussion this morning on our back-channel email list about metadata and the post on metadata I made yesterday.

We thought we'd let you see our discussion and invite you to join in.

Marty started it by saying:

Dennis:

Maybe you could recommend a specific meta-cleanser and provide a link?

Meta-cleanser - sounds like something an existential cleaning service might use.

Marty

p.s. The WSJ ran a piece on the UN report with the title "Will Bill Gates Topple Assad?'

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Denise replied:

How do you reconcile the tension between the fact that on the one hand metadata can convey information you might not have wanted to convey, and it also enhances searchability and the richness of one's internal database? Is the solution just to ensure metadata is purged before things break free of the firewall?

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Dennis replied:

Aye, there's the rub.

In the article on my blog and when I speak about this issue in more detail, I try to reconcile the two faces of metadata and emphasize that it can be quite a good thing. (e.g., "Metadata is not inherently evil. It is often quite useful.")

I'd almost think of metadata with the idea of DRM in mind. Internally and with clients, metadata, especially the collaborative info, is incredibly useful. However, in someone else's hands, it can be quite damaging. The "scrubbing" is almost like sending the doc out with limited rights and access to the "full" document, at least conceptually.

So, metadata can't be handled appropriately without considering who the audience is (or might be). You then start to think of the document not just as a document, but as a published product.

In the classic approach, you would "scrub" the document (or create a new clean version or create a PDF) just before you sent it to an opposing party or someone who should not see the metadata. I.e., handle it as a separate process before the doc leaves the firewall.

BTW, I think the good of metadata far outweighs the bad, and, frankly, it's not that difficult to deal with metadata in most cases, if you take the time to learn about it.

I'd mention a metadata scrubber, but since I'm not getting any royalties on the gigantic amount of business I'd send over to them by mentioning a product on this blog, I probably won't do that on the blog. ;-)

Microsoft has a free downloadable Remove Hidden Data tool for Office 2003/XP that some experts turn up their noses at because it doesn't clean EVERYTHING, but, if you are aware of what it doesn't do, most of the time you'll be fine with it Note that it's for Office 2003 and XP, but, seriously, why are law firms still using older versions of Office as we near the start of 2006?
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Donna Payne has a cleaner called Metadata Assistant that's more or less become the de facto standard tool in legal. It's $79.There are a couple of others (E.g., EZClean.or Workshare Protect.)

Even with scrubbers, you still have the possibility of user error problems.

Both Tom and Ernie are very knowledgeable on these issues and probably have a few other pointers.

My main recommendation is to go into MS Word's properties and turn on what I think is called the "Show Hidden Data" setting (that's the one that will automatically show you the stuff in docs people send to you). Also very helpful is a setting that will pop up the properties window when you first save a document, so you can delete some of the standard automatically-generated metadata.

Here's an article George Socha and I wrote on metadata that's pretty good
- http://www.discoveryresources.org/04_om_electronic_discoverers_0405.html

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Ernie replied:

I think that most explanations of metadata are laden with fear-mongering. Of course, this is probably called for since the greatest danger of metadata is not knowing that it is created in the first place. It's a very binary problem. If you know about metadata and know about the threat then the odds are you aren't going to make a mistake (note I said 'the odds are' and not 'you won't make a mistake').

I think many people don't want to understand the problem; they just want to avoid it. And for those people I would say this: make your document into a PDF using some tool that lets you 'print to PDF.'

Make sure that you have chosen to print only the document and not 'the tracked changes' or any similar thing.

Then after you 'print to PDF' open the document and see if the metadata is visible in the PDF document. If it is go back to step #1. If it's not. then feel free to send it.

If you are doing anything more complicated than that (i.e. redacting using an advance PDF function in Acrobat etc.) then read everything that Dennis has written on the subject of metadata and be afraid. Be VERY afraid....

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Dennis replied:

I really agree that the basics of metadata aren't that hard to learn, if you just invest a little time. Once you start sending Word docs around, though, you really should know what you are doing or you're asking for trouble, just like the UN group.

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Marty replied:

pls blog this thread

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One in our occasional series of looks into our behind-the-scenes discussions.


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October 24, 2005

The UN Learns About Metadata and Uncovering Changes in Documents . . . Another Lesson for Lawyers

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Posted by Dennis M. Kennedy

The Times Online reports the latest in the growing list of documents that have been released with previous edits and other information still contained in the documents and readily accessible.

In this case, the UN released a report on the murder of Rafik Hariri, the former Lebanese Prime Minister, only to have, to put it mildly, embarrassing edits revealed because they were still contained in the released document.

As the article says:

THE United Nations withheld some of the most damaging allegations against Syria in its report on the murder of Rafik Hariri, the former Lebanese Prime Minister, it emerged yesterday.

The names of the brother of Bashar al-Assad, President of Syria, and other members of his inner circle, were dropped from the report that was sent to the Security Council.

The confidential changes were revealed by an extraordinary computer gaffe because an electronic version distributed by UN officials on Thursday night allowed recipients to track editing changes.

Extraordinary computer gaffe? These "gaffes" have become all too commonplace.

And too many lawyers remain unaware of the issue.

As an example, a lawyer sent me an email today noting this article and saying, "is my understanding correct that the two ways of preventing prior versions from being disseminated in a Microsoft Word document are by either changing the format to pdf or rtf, or by clicking 'accept changes' in Word?"

I thought I'd share my answer to that question:

Arrrghhh!!! Your second assumption is probably the CAUSE of the revisions being able to be revealed! It's absolutely not the solution.

The first method will generally work, but you can mess up and reveal revisions and other information (which I'll refer to as "metadata") even when using RTFs and PDFs. If you want to be really sure, you'll want to use a metadata cleaner and then save the document as a PDF. However, even then you need to become acquainted with the various issues out there and the actual dangers in documents.

Be aware that you can reintroduce that hidden info in a variety of ways after you think that you have "cleaned" it. By the way, don't make the assumption that the doc was in MS Word, even though the odds are that was the program used here. You can pull that prior version info out of other programs as well, including the beloved tool of many lawyers, WordPerfect. In addition, be careful about the assumptions you make about different versions of different programs. Don't make assumptions - make it your business to learn about the issues and the solutions.

This is important stuff, often with embarrassing and far-reaching results. There's no excuse for lawyers (and others) not to be familiar with the basic issues of metadata and to be knowledgeable about both the problems and the solutions. That is, unless they want to have their documents or their clients' documents appear in similar stories in the newspaper. Too many lawyers are operating in the dark on this one. Lawyers routinely send me documents that have metadata that is either easily visible or can readily be surfaced with little or no effort.

I posted a short primer on metadata and the related issues on my blog at http://www.denniskennedy.com/archives/2005_10.html#a000891. Use it as a starting point and then set aside a little time to get yourself up to speed on these issues. Making assumptions in this area is especially dangerous.

How many times do you (and lawyers in general) need to hear the alarm go off on these issues before you stop hitting the snooze button and going back to sleep?

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October 11, 2005

Law Practice Today Features Disaster Planning and Recovery Articles and Resources

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Posted by Dennis M. Kennedy

The new issue of the ABA's webzine Law Practice Today has about ten articles on disaster recovery and business continuity issues for law firms (and others) in this month's specially-themed issue. That's in addition to 6 or 7 (depends on how you categorize the articles) on marketing, management, technology and other practice issues (check out the McKenna and Buchanan articles in particular). And it's all free!

The Between Lawyers bloggers are well represented with Dennis Kennedy's article, Ten Tips for Dealing with Disaster Recovery and Business Continuity Issues and Dennis Kennedy and Tom Mighell's Strongest Links column on Internet resources for disaster recovery and business continuity, but this is an excellent issue, full of valuable, practical information.

Highly recommended and very timely (one of the benefits of the webzine format).


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September 18, 2005

Instant Messaging Resources for Lawyers and Others

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Posted by Dennis M. Kennedy

Lawyers have been a little slow to adopt instant messaging technologies. In fact, some law firms even prohibit the use of IM by their lawyers.

That may soon change.

Well . . . maybe not. But Between Lawyers contributors Tom Mighell and Dennis Kennedy (that's me) are trying to help lawyers with IM. Their new "Strongest Links" column in the ABA's Law Practice Today webzine will give you a wealth of resources on instant messaging. We cover everything from fundamentals to tools to practical issues to electronic discovery to business and security implications to acronyms and emoticons.

You may notice that Tom and I have put our lawyer membership cards at risk by taking a creative and non-traditional approach to writing the column. We had lots of fun (another word not often associated with lawyers) writing the column in this style and hope that you enjoy the article and find the resources we list to be helpful in considering and using IM as a collaboration tool.

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E-Filing and The Learning Curve

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Posted by Tom Mighell

The Electronic Filing and Service for Courts blog has a nice piece titled The Benefits of Mandatory E-Filing, with which I mostly agree; while there are clearly major benefits to e-filing, I'm just not sure making it mandatory (at this point, anyway) this soon is the right strategy. Yes, I know e-filing is mandatory in the bankruptcy courts, I just wish they had handled it a different way.

The reason why: like it or not, many attorneys are not equipped with sufficient technological skills to grasp the intricacies of e-filing. I write this with a trace of sarcasm; while the average reader of this blog would no doubt find e-filing a snap, many attorneys are still way behind the technology learning curve. I'm talking mostly about solo (and some small firm) attorneys here -- large firm attorneys may not have the skills, but they certainly have staff capable of processing an e-filing transaction.

A case in point. My firm subscribes to the Courthouse News, a great service that delivers an e-mail to us each day with descriptions of the latest court filings, both state and federal. A few months ago, the Courthouse News described a lawsuit filed in federal court by a lawyer here in Dallas, actually against the Northern District of Texas. The lawyer alleged that he lacked the computer skills necessary to e-file, and therefore the mandatory e-filing system here was discriminatory. We'll see how far this lawsuit goes, but the point is made: some lawyers are not equipped for this brave new world of e-filing.

A solution? Before a court system decides to go mandatory, they should offer e-filing as an option, with the notice that at some point in the future, e-filing will be the only option. At the same time, the court system should offer some sort of class to teach the basics of e-filing to lawyers and their staff. The classes can be online, at the courthouse, or in seminars through the bar association. I know some of the federal courts here in Texas require the attorney to take such a class before registering to e-file, but so far the state courts that have e-filing don't provide any obvious training -- at least in Texas, anyway.

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