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<title>George Lenard On Facebooking Employment Candidates (Denise Howell)</title>
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<description><![CDATA[<p>Here are <a href="http://www.employmentblawg.com/">George Lenard's</a> posts on the subject:</p>

<p><a href="http://www.collegerecruiter.com/weblog/archives/2006/09/employers_using.php#">Employers Using Facebook for Background Checking: Is It Legal?</a></p>

<p><a href="http://www.employmentblawg.com/2006/more-on-using-facebook-et-al-in-recruiting-and-hiring/">More on using facebook et al. in recruiting and hiring (Part II)</a></p>

<p><a href="http://www.employmentblawg.com/2006/employers-using-facebook-for-background-checking-part-iii">Employers Using Facebook for Background Checking, Part III</a></p>

<p>This might be better suited to <a href="http://www.overlawyered.com/">Overlawyered</a> than Between Lawyers, but I'm posting it here anyway because it's a great series of posts.  One thing I don't see addressed:  one of the most powerful features of Facebook (and a host of other social networking sites) is the fine-grained privacy control users have over the visibility their data.  Often, only "friends" have access to the kinds of details George discusses.  But, lots of people do make their data more generally visible.  It's ironic that employment laws are such that though "the public" may be invited to view such information, lucrative damages awards or settlements could be associated with doing so in the context of employment or potential employment.<br />
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<dc:subject>Web 2.0</dc:subject>
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<title>Microsoft Provides a Good Illustration of the Metadata Exposure Problem (Dennis M. Kennedy)</title>
<link>http://betweenlawyers.corante.com/archives/2007/06/13/microsoft_provides_a_good_illustration_of_the_metadata_exposure_problem.php</link>
<description><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.edbott.com/weblog/?p=1698">Ed Botts offers up a great example</a> of how tricky the hidden data, or metadata, issue can be in Microsoft Office. The victim this time is Microsoft. Irony aside, it's important to understand the example and be attuned to the potential problems. </p>

<p>Ed's recent post "<a href="http://www.edbott.com/weblog/?p=1693">What's Hidden in Your Word Documents?</a>" also is an eye-opener on the topic for those who are not familiar with the workings of the default settings in Office 2007 (that may include some bar regulators in the US). </p>

<p>For a good overview for lawyers, see <a href="http://www.discoveryresources.org/04_om_thinkingED_0601.html">Mining the Value from Metadata</a> by Dennis Kennedy, Evan Schaeffer and Tom Mighell.<br />
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<dc:date>2007-06-13T20:18:07-05:00</dc:date>
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<title>Between Lawyers - Recent Podcasts (Dennis M. Kennedy)</title>
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<description><![CDATA[<p>Members of the Between Lawyers blog can be heard in a number of recent podcasts.</p>

<p><a href="http://www.inter-alia.net">Tom Mighell</a> and <a href="http://www,denniskennedy.com/blog/">Dennis Kennedy</a> have posted the <a href="http://tkmr.libsyn.com/index.php?post_id=201386">latest episode #5</a> of <a href="http://tkmr.libsyn.com/">The Kennedy-Mighell Report</a>, in which they cover the recent ABA TECHSHOW, legal technology trends for 2007, current developments in electronic discovery, and their upcoming book on collaboration tools for lawyers. </p>

<p><a href="http://bgbg.blogspot.com">Denise Howell</a> has posted the latest episode of <a href="http://www.twit.tv/twil">This Week in Law</a>, which includes fellow regular <a href="http://www.ernietheattorney.net/ernie_the_attorney/">Ernie Svenson</a>. An earlier episode feature Between Lawyers' <a href="http://www.schwimmerlegal.com">Marty Schwimmer</a>.</p>

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<dc:subject>Podcasting</dc:subject>
<dc:date>2007-04-08T18:23:30-05:00</dc:date>
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<title>Electronic Discovery; 5 Ws of EDD Depositions (Dennis M. Kennedy)</title>
<link>http://betweenlawyers.corante.com/archives/2007/03/29/electronic_discovery_5_ws_of_edd_depositions.php</link>
<description><![CDATA[<p>On DiscoveryResources.org, you'll find a new Thinking E-Discovery column from Evan Schaeffer, Tom Mighell and Dennis Kennedy called "<a href="http://www.discoveryresources.org/04_om_thinkingED.html">Incorporating EDD into Your Depositions - the 5Ws of EDD Depositions</a>."</p>

<p>As Tom Mighell says, "knowing the right questions to ask in an electronic discovery deposition is crucial, and I'd wager most lawyers haven't had the opportunity to ask many questions along those lines."</p>

<p>A good practical article on an important topic.</p>]]></description>
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<title>Will the New Electronic Discovery Rules Changes Affect You Sooner Than You Expect? (Dennis M. Kennedy)</title>
<link>http://betweenlawyers.corante.com/archives/2006/08/14/will_the_new_electronic_discovery_rules_changes_affect_you_sooner_than_you_expect.php</link>
<description><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://infogovernance.blogspot.com/2006/08/ediscovery-rules-deadline-moves-up-in.html">Rob Robinson points to an article</a> indicating that the new electronic discovery amendments to the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure that have been so much in the news may impact lawyers in some states in a few weeks rather than a few months. Do you know if your state is an early bird?</p>

<p>Nobody is covering current developments in electronic discovery, especially in e-discovery technology, better than Rob Robinson is on his <a href="http://infogovernance.blogspot.com/">information governance blog</a>. The blog has pointers to great info on a daily basis.</p>]]></description>
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<dc:subject>Blink &amp;#8250;</dc:subject>
<dc:date>2006-08-14T23:02:38-05:00</dc:date>
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<title>BL Futurama (Denise Howell)</title>
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<description><![CDATA[<p>Here's <a href="http://infogovernance.blogspot.com/2006/06/in-good-company-with-dennis-k.html">Dennis at Legal Tech</a>, chatting about the future of electronic discovery, and <a href="http://www.abanet.org/lpm/magazine/articles/v32/is3/an2.shtml">Tom in Law Practice Magazine</a>, on the future of blawging. </p>]]></description>
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<dc:subject>Blink &amp;#8250;</dc:subject>
<dc:date>2006-06-09T22:03:17-05:00</dc:date>
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<title>State Bar Regulators Continue to Struggle with Metadata Issues (Dennis M. Kennedy)</title>
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<description><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.legalunderground.com/2006/05/committee_of_fl.html">Evan Schaeffer offers a thoughtful and thorough critique</a> of an effort by the Florida Bar to legislate how lawyers can and cannot use metadata. As Evan points out, the rationales for and provisions of the proposed rule are confusing and contradictory (or even miss the point completely) to lawyers who are familiar with and comfortable with the underlying technology issues.</p>

<p>I don't have much to add to Evan's analysis other than to wonder why a rule directed at requirements for a lawyer protecting the confidentiality of his or her client is being used as the basis to create a prohibition on opposing counsel <strong>who do not represent that client</strong> from looking at metadata in documents? That seems like a long stretch in logicto me.</p>

<p><a href="http://www.legalunderground.com/2006/05/committee_of_fl.html">Evan</a> points to several good resources on metadata issues, including an article Evan, Tom Mighell and I wrote called "<a href="http://www.discoveryresources.org/04_om_thinkingED_0601.html">Mining the Value from Metadata</a>."</p>

<p>The money quote from Evan's post:</p>

<blockquote>Given a choice between hiring a lawyer in Florida, where lawyers may not be allowed to use technology as it was intended, and hiring a lawyer somewhere else, why would anyone choose the lawyer from Florida?</blockquote>

<p>From my point of view, this proposed rule once again raises the question of the proper place for state-by-state  regulation of lawyers in an Internet era. </p>

<p>Your thoughts are welcomed in the comments to this post.</p>]]></description>
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<dc:subject>eDiscovery</dc:subject>
<dc:date>2006-05-09T10:22:30-05:00</dc:date>
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<title>Nobody Expects The Spanish Interrogatory (Denise Howell)</title>
<link>http://betweenlawyers.corante.com/archives/2006/02/07/nobody_expects_the_spanish_interrogatory.php</link>
<description><![CDATA[<p>The AP's Brian Bergstein has a recent story on the e-discovery field:  <a href="http://www.wired.com/news/wireservice/0,70111-0.html?tw=wn_technology_10">E-Discovery Is Big Business</a>.  &quot;With so much work done via e-mail, instant messaging and other online platforms, 'nothing's in the file cabinets anymore,'&quot; he writes, quoting Michele Lange, staff attorney for legal technologies at <a href="http://www.krollontrack.com/">Kroll Ontrack</a>.  It's an interesting article and a good overview of the explosive growth happening in the e-discovery arena.  What struck me about the article though was the fact it didn't mention Web 2.0 companies and services &mdash; also experiencing explosive growth and uptake.  Ms Lange is of course correct that nothing is in file cabinets anymore, but increasingly &mdash; with employees using Web mail, blogs, wikis, online news aggregators, social bookmarking, and other hosted means of communication and knowledge management for business purposes (which might violate a technology use policy, but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen) &mdash; material of great relevance to a legal dispute might not be anywhere under a litigant's direct control.</p></p>

<p>I hear the wheels turning in the heads of our trial court litigator readers:  what I'm describing has some competing aspects.  On the one hand, it lets a party respond to a discovery request by saying, gee, we'd be happy to give you that but we just don't have it.  On the other, someone, a third party, <em>does</em> have it, and things that might ordinarily be known about and subjected to a document (non)retention policy can and probably will persist in that third party's database.</p>

<p>The article talks about companies employing e-discovery firms proactively, so as not to have to scramble or be caught unawares when the inevitable discovery requests roll in.  (Included factoid:  &quot;The average company bigger than $1 billion is wrestling with 147 lawsuits.&quot;)  In this vein, it concludes with <a href="http://www.fiosinc.com/about/gerald_massey.html">Gerald Massey</a> of <a href="http://www.fiosinc.com/">Fios</a> speculating, &quot;The names we'll associate with the services we provide in three, four, five years from now will be like IBM and EMC and Oracle.&quot;  I think that's right, but I wonder too if (and doubt whether) many Web 2.0 companies have tried to factor responding to third party discovery into their cost of doing business.  By definition, they are bound to be subjected to the expense and inconvenience of more <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subpoena_duces_tecum">subpoenas duces tecum</a> than would otherwise be the case.</p>

<p>Related, via <a href="http://www.virtualchase.com/tvcalert/transfer.asp?xmlFile=feb06/7feb06.xml#web2">Genie Tyburski</a>:  <a href="http://www.imakenews.com/sirsi/e_article000505688.cfm"> Web 2.0, Library 2.0, and Librarian 2.0: Preparing for the 2.0 World</a>.</p>

<p>Also related:  <a href="http://themshow.libsyn.com/index.php?post_id=54767">part 1</a> and <a href="http://themshow.libsyn.com/index.php?post_id=55618">part 2</a> of my recent appearance on <a href="http://www.themshow.com/">The M Show</a>, where I discuss the procedural, third party discovery aspects of the government's COPA-related subpenas to search companies.</p>]]></description>
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<dc:subject>eDiscovery</dc:subject>
<dc:date>2006-02-07T16:43:45-05:00</dc:date>
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<title>Google Subpena In A Nutshell (Denise Howell)</title>
<link>http://betweenlawyers.corante.com/archives/2006/01/24/google_subpena_in_a_nutshell.php</link>
<description><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.virtualchase.com/tvcalert/transfer.asp?xmlFile=jan06/24jan06.xml#google">Genie Tyburski</a>:  &quot;Perhaps more disturbing than the request itself is that we learned about it because Google refused to comply.&quot; Today Genie's <a href="http://www.virtualchase.com/tvcalert/">TVC Alert</a> also <a href="http://www.virtualchase.com/tvcalert/transfer.asp?xmlFile=jan06/24jan06.xml#google">supplies</a> a primer in the form of a definitve collection of links.</p>]]></description>
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<dc:date>2006-01-24T11:19:57-05:00</dc:date>
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<title>Open Source Intelligence Analysis? (Dennis M. Kennedy)</title>
<link>http://betweenlawyers.corante.com/archives/2006/01/07/open_source_intelligence_analysis.php</link>
<description><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.andrewsullivan.com/index.php?dish_inc=archives/2006_01_01_dish_archive.html#113665641138717230">Andrew Sullivan</a> writes about a <a href="http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/006/550kmbzd.asp">Stephen Hayes article on terrorist training camps in Saddam's Iraq</a>. In the Hayes article, we learn that of approximately two million seized documents, only 50.000 have been translated and analyzed in the last few years, causing growing levels of exasperation in the U.S. government and intelligence community. </p>

<p>It goes without saying that this state of affairs again raises the "are we safer now?" question and, if you read the entire article, you'll wonder where priorities really lie in the current bureaucratic approaches.</p>

<p>HOWEVER . . .</p>

<p>In the middle of Hayes' article comes one of the most intriguing, even innovative ideas we are likely to see in the field of intelligence analysis.</p>

<p>Consider this quote:</p>

<blockquote><em>Following several weeks of debate, a consensus has emerged: The vast majority of the 2 million captured documents should be released publicly as soon as possible.

<p>Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld has convened several meetings in recent weeks to discuss the Pentagon's role in expediting the release of this information. According to several sources familiar with his thinking, Rumsfeld is pushing aggressively for a massive dump of the captured documents. "He has a sense that public vetting of this information is likely to be as good an astringent as any other process we could develop," says Pentagon spokesman Larry DiRita.</em></blockquote></p>

<p>Fascinating stuff. Surely putting thousands of eyes onto these documents must be better that storing them in boxes. It would also be interesting to see what cutting-edge scanning and analytical tools used in electronic discovery could do with these materials. </p>

<p>I encourage you to read <a href="http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/006/550kmbzd.asp">the article</a> and draw your own conclusions. I find this story quite troubling and think that it would be a good idea to "open source" this material rather than to keep it in closed boxes. A public debate over the issue would also be worthwhile. Consider this approach in contrast to <a href="http://globalguerrillas.typepad.com/johnrobb/2006/01/isolation_and_g.html">John Robb's recent comments on the problems of isolated decision-making</a>.</p>]]></description>
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<dc:subject>Provocations</dc:subject>
<dc:date>2006-01-07T14:35:41-05:00</dc:date>
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<title>New Amendments to Civil Procedures to Create a &quot;Legal Chernobyl&quot;? (Dennis M. Kennedy)</title>
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<description><![CDATA[<p>I like hyperbole as much as the next person (or maybe a little bit more), so I encourage electronic discovery buffs to take a look at Ephraim Schwartz's InfoWorld column called "<a href="http://www.infoworld.com/article/05/12/27/01OPreality_1.html">Document Management Systems Go to Court</a>," in which he reports on two proposed amendments to the federal Rules of Civil Procedure that one expert he spoke with called, if enacted, a "legal Chernobyl."</p>

<p>I've found the legal articles I've read on these proposed amendments to use much more measured and sober tones and analogies. I like this approach much better.</p>

<p>That said, I like the column because it looks at the impact of the rules on the IT departments and business departments of companies rather than solely from the view of lawyers. It's an eye-opening discussion of the practical concerns these rules might have.</p>

<p>I've been trying to take a less alarmist tone on electronic discovery issues (I don't think it's really helpful - I want to talk more about rolling up your sleeves and getting things done), so some of this article feels a little "over the top," but I recommend it especially for IT people who want to get a flavor for what may be coming down the road.</p>

<p>The (fun) money quote:</p>

<blockquote>If you think calling the changes to Rules 26 and 37(f) “Chernobyl” is a bit of hyperbole, well then, you can always sit back, do nothing, and wait for the fallout. </blockquote>

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<title>Mining the Value of Metadata in Electronic Discovery (Dennis M. Kennedy)</title>
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<description><![CDATA[<p>"<a href="http://www.discoveryresources.org/04_om_thinkingED.html">Mining the Value of Metadata</a>" is the new Thinking E-Discovery column from Dennis Kennedy, Tom Mighell and Evan Schaeffer over at <a href="http://www.discoveryresources.org">DiscoveryResources.org.</a> It's a wide-ranging discussion with quite a few practical pointers that may save you some future embarrassment.</p>]]></description>
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<title>Watch what you Google for.... (Tom Mighell)</title>
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<description><![CDATA[<p>If you're planning on committing murder, make sure you research your crime anonymously.  In a murder trial going on in Raleigh-Durham, an inspection of the defendant's computer revealed that he had <a href="http://www.wral.com/news/5287261/detail.html">searched the words "neck," "snap,"  "break," and "hold"</a> on a search engine before his wife died.  The computer evidence also apparently indicates that the defendant allegedly researched lake levels, water currents, boat ramps, and access to the lake where his wife's body was later discovered.</p>

<p>When we talk about e-discovery, we're not just talking about e-mail and Word documents with embedded metadata -- we're also talking about your browser's search history.  Properly harvested, it can definitely yield some interesting evidence.</p>]]></description>
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<title>Document DNA (Denise Howell)</title>
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<description><![CDATA[<p>Dennis Kennedy in the New York Times today on metadata, <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/07/business/07link.html?ex=1289019600&amp;en=98e8af679a0797f4&amp;ei=5090&amp;partner=rssuserland&amp;emc=rss">Beware Your Trail of Digital Fingerprints</a>:  &quot;If you take the time to educate yourself a little and know the issues, you can avoid problems pretty easily.&quot;  (I'm less sanguine about that for the nonbusiness or small business user, whose document distribution habits aren't being scrutinized by a department of minions dedicated to avoiding these sorts of snafus.  How many users do you know, for example, who have the time or inclination to make heads or tails of <a href="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;lr=&amp;rls=GGLB%2CGGLB%3A1969-53%2CGGLB%3Aen&amp;q=microsoft+metadata">these search results</a>?)</p>]]></description>
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<title>If Electronic Discovery is the Next Big Thing, Why Are So Few Lawyers Doing Electronic Discovery? (Dennis M. Kennedy)</title>
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<description><![CDATA[<p>Evan Schaeffer and Between Lawyers' own Tom Mighell and Dennis Kennedy have written a <a href="http://www.discoveryresources.org/04_om_thinkingED.html">new column</a> where we take on one of the most interesting questions in the practice of law in 2005: if everyone thinks that electronic discovery is the next big thing in the practice of law and is so important, why are lawyers staying away from electronic discovery in droves? </p>

<p>I was thinking after we had <a href="http://www.corante.com/betweenlawyers/archives/2005/10/25/our_morning_discussion_of_metadata.php">our discussion of metadata in Word documents the other day on Between Lawyers</a> that electronic discovery could actually be fun - checking for metadata and using all the new electronic discovery tools. Most lawyers, it seems, prefer to stay squarely in the world of paper. I've even heard that some judges make it all but impossible for lawyers who want to get electronic files to obtain them. </p>

<p>Is your lawyer asking you to print out documents for a hoard of high-paid associates to review or more comfortable pawing through a banker's box of papers than mousing through computer files? Maybe it's time for clients to become a lot more concerned about what their legal fees buy them in the world of practice-as-usual. In any event, you'll want to read <a href="http://www.discoveryresources.org/04_om_thinkingED.html">the column</a> to see how Evan, Tom and I grapple with the question. It's a thorough, well-rounded conversation that will make you think.</p>

<p>The three of us write a regular, more or less monthly column called Thinking E-Discovery on the <a href="http://www.discoveryresources.org">DiscoveryResources.org site</a>.</p>]]></description>
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