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June 8, 2005

Dennis Re Marty re iPod etc.

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Posted by Marty Schwimmer

I asked Dennis why he worried about this stuff (specifically whether he will violate copyright law in his spare time) and he answered and so did Ernest Miller.

I agree with Dennis that the fair use test is uncertain in its application. The lawyers for the Bill Graham Archives learned that recently in the Southern District of New York (subtle link to my post in the Trademark Blog here).

While I agree with Dennis that new technology can inject uncertainty, this most recent demonstration of someone betting wrong on a legal outcome arose in the old medium of books.

As for uncertainty, well, we make our living, in a sense, at being a decent guessers, and we call it legal risk management.

My real point to Dennis is - is that if he were leaning in the doorway of my office, worrying whether various personal activities were copyright infringements, I would say, yes, copyright law is uncertain, as is the tax code. However the copyright cases that are presented to us as being egregious (City of Heroes and the 'RIAA sues dead grandmother' cases leap to mind), are (in my anecdotal perception), those that involve people performing some public act with regard to the copyrighted work. In other words, if they were wronged by the copyright holder, it wasn't because of intrusion upon seclusion.

I acknowledge that the Internet may be blurring the distinction between personal and public acts, but the copyright cases that are getting the headlines are, to my mind, not unclear on this point. This isn't private (using private to mean solitary) behavior.

So I would say to Dennis, why do you worry about this stuff? and then either tell him to go back to his office, or I would change the topic to the new season of "Six Feet Under."

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1. Warwick A Rothnie on June 11, 2005 5:01 AM writes...

Great thread, guys.

Speaking in the days when all there was to worry about was "home taping", but equally applicable in a networked, digital world, Lord Templeman declared:

" From the point of view of society the present position is lamentable. Millions of breaches of the law must be committed by home copiers every year. Some home copiers may break the law in ignorance, despite extensive publicity and warning notices on records, tapes and films. Some home copiers may break the law because they estimate that the chances of detection are non-existent. Some home copiers may consider that the entertainment and recording industry already exhibit all the characteristics of undesirable monopoly — lavish expenses, extravagant earnings and exorbitant profits — and that the blank tape is the only restraint on further increases in the prices of records. Whatever the reason for home copying the beat of Sergeant Pepper and the soaring sounds of the Miserere from unlawful copies are more powerful than law-abiding instincts or twinges of conscience. A law which is treated with such contempt should be amended or repealed. "

CBS v Amstrad (1988, House of Lords UK)

Would there be so much downloading and peer 2 peering if the law wasn't so patently wrong and what else does it lead to?

Interestingly, while US debates seem to suggest creation of a "personal use" space, European commentators note that the EU's Information Society Directive has moved in the opposite direction. The justification for personal use freedoms in an analogue world (the intrusion into privacy) has been replaced with the copyright owners' claims of personal contracting and licensing made possible through the cyberspace jukebox.

More prosaically, those of us who live in the Musical Third World (no iTunes Music Store DownUnder because, apparently, one major record lable won't go along for the ride) probably have a lot more to worry about.

One of the Australian collecting societies routinely points out that digital storage brings so much convenience and replaces so many copies that there is a clear economic benefit derived by the user which the copyright owner should be able to tap.

We also have a governmental inquiry into what to do . The copyright collecting societies have made lots of submissions indicating why these could become real issues.

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